Melissa Francis Of FOX News On Lessons From The Prairie: The Surprising Secrets To Happiness, Success & (Just Survival) I Learned On America’s Favorite Show

Melissa Francis Of FOX News On Lessons From The Prairie: The Surprising Secrets To Happiness, Success & (Just Survival) I Learned On America’s Favorite Show

Jason Hartman starts the show by talking about the tax burden and cost of living. He is also asked about using mobile homes as rentals. In the interview segment of the show, Jason hosts Melissa Francis. Melissa is the author of Lessons from the Prairie: The Surprising Secrets to Happiness, Success, and Sometimes Just Survival I Learned on America’s Favorite Show and a commentator on FOX News and FOX Business. They discuss the American people’s disempowerment through the handouts. They end with whether if the government is the answer or the problem. 

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Jason Hartman 1:04
Welcome to the creating wealth Show Episode Number 860 860. And thank you so much for joining me. This is of course, your host, Jason Hartman. And I’m greeting you today from Luxembourg. Yes, I am back in Europe. I was in Paris for the last few days and actually took my dog Coco with me. Wow. That was an experience. first international trip. Yes, dear listeners. This dog has a passport. Oh, gosh. It’s pretty cool. Having having my dog overseas with me. That’s pretty neat. But yeah, it was traveling around and you know, doing the thing back here in Europe again. What I said to myself a long time ago, is that after leaving California, with my massively expensive mortgage payments, I thought every summer when I left back into 2011 every summer after moving to Arizona at the time, I thought with the money I save, not living in California on housing cost and taxes alone. Every summer when it’s hot out because you know in Arizona it’s hot, same with same with Nevada, same deal. I could travel around the world and still spend a lot less money going away for the hot three months of the summer than I would spend living in Southern California. Very, very expensive place to live. And I tell you, once again, that was one of the best decisions of my life, lowering my cost of living in terms of that fixed cost overhead and lowering my tax burden. now living in Nevada, I am in a no income tax state. That makes a huge difference. And it’s something that as part of your financial planning if it is possible for I really think you should try and think about that and plan for it as a future opportunity. I believe there are 11 states within the US that are no income tax states. Those, of course include Washington State, Nevada, Florida, Texas, Wyoming. What else Tennessee, Texas. I said Texas, there’s a couple others. Anyway. Get yourself to one of those if you can. And on my jetsetter show, I’ve done a couple of shows about the tremendous Puerto Rico tax opportunity. Now that one’s more complicated, esoteric, more exotic, but a few of my friends have actually moved to Puerto Rico, they can substantially lower their tax bill doing that. Remember, even if the subject of taxation bores you, do not be bored by it. It is the single largest expense any of us have in our life. our single largest expenses, taxes We’ve got to learn how to minimize the cost of taxes. Of course, we do that, in large part, through our investment portfolio, income property, the most tax favored asset class in America, and the most historically proven asset class in the entire world, according to yours truly, and Hey, no one seems to ever dispute any of those statements. So after years and years and years and years of saying them to 10s of thousands or if not hundreds of thousands of people, maybe even more, I don’t know how many of you are listening right now. I think we have at least, I don’t know, 10 or 20 listeners nowadays after doing this for 13 years or so. Yes. Well, those two things are very important. Lower your tax bill reduce your tax liability, very important thing. So today is Episode 860. And that means what does it mean? It means it is a 10th episode show. Our guest today will be Melissa Francis. She’s an anchor on fox news and Fox Business, author of the new book lessons from the prairie the surprising secrets to happiness success, and sometimes just survival that I learned on America’s favorite show. And of course, you know what that show is right? It’s a Little House on the Prairie. Yes. So we’re going to talk with her about that. But before we do a few things that are very important here. First off, we are going to conclude our, our contest for the Apple AirPods. That product that I love so much, that is a six week Wait, I want to get those in your hands. And we’re going to wrap that up this week. So if you have not entered the contest yet, go to Jason Hartman comm slash contest. Again, Jason Hartman calm slash contest and take just a few Few seconds or maybe a minute, or maybe a little more depending on how fast or slow you type and how big your questions and comments are, because we do ask you to leave us a question for the show. So we will wrap that up this week, we will announce the winner next week, and we will ship your air pods off to you. And that will make it easier for you to listen to such great podcast content. And we really do appreciate you listening and telling your friends about the show and also rating and reviewing it on iTunes. So speaking of questions, we’ve had some good ones. Gosh, we have got, I think the brightest audience out there and are very, very intelligent and astute audience has left us many questions and we will get to we have a lot more of them to get to over the next several shows, but I thought I’d just take one of them maybe even two, depending on where do you mind The answer is, and you know me, sometimes they get a little wordy. We will do that before we get to our guest today, Melissa Francis. So again, thank you so much for entering the contest and sending these questions. And remember, the question you have is the same question a lot of other people have as well. Okay, so let’s see which question I want to answer here. Okay, here’s one from Jesse. And Jesse has a really good question. And this is about mobile home parks. And if you’ve been listening to the show for a long time, you may know that backi in about oh 2010 through 2011 I believe it was maybe 2009 2010 I was making offers offer after offer after offer on mobile home parks and a few self storage facilities as well. And it was really, really hard to buy anything. I finally did end up buying a mobile home park a couple of years ago. And I talked about this deal on the show, I bought it with a client of ours. Oh, I should say now friend and client, but a longtime client of ours, Steve, he bought this one together. And it’s about 120 units. And it’s been going quite well. We’ve been doing a lot of capital improvements. So we haven’t taken much money out of it yet. But we think we are making the park a lot more valuable through our capital improvements. And I also just want to mention, if any of you out there are thinking, you’ve got a deal, and you’d like a partner on the deal, hey, you can pitch it to me. I’m always looking for good deals in which to invest. I love doing real estate deals, and you may get the opportunity to actually pitch it to our venture Alliance mastermind as well. And you can do that in pitching any deals to me over voxer over voxer and most of you know how to get a hold of me on boxer now. But it’s Jay Hart at eight is my voxer codename or screen name or username, whatever you want to call it. Anyway, contact me there and tell me about your deals. If you need a money partner to go in on the deals with you, I may be interested. Okay, so Jesse has a good question. He said, What do you think about mobile homes? on lots as rentals now? I don’t know exactly what you mean by that question, Jesse. But I’m gonna take a couple of guesses at it is exactly what you mean here. So it is possible when you buy a mobile home park as a real estate investment. Of course, most of the time, the mobile home park investor just buys the land, they buy the park and maybe it has an office on it. Maybe it has a restaurant on it. Maybe it has a common area facility on it or something like that. But they’re buying the real estate essentially, you know, it’s got the roads and the improvements inside the park and So on and so forth. And then it’s got a bunch of lots a bunch of spaces, and other people rent that lot from you, and bring their mobile home and put it on that lot. Now, this is not to be confused with an RV park. recreational vehicles are different than mobile homes, mobile homes being much more permanent, a recreational vehicle, meaning you might just park there for one night and then be on the road again. Right. So those are different things. That can be a very good deal. Now, I talked to you about my experience in making so many offers several years ago on parks. And Steve and I were doing this together before we did buy this park together a few years later, or really, several years later, and we couldn’t get anything accepted. And this was back just coming off of the Great Recession. And people were lining up to throw money at these deals and you know What we just kept thinking, you know, these are overvalued. There’s just too much competition for these deals. And we couldn’t get anything. And so after about I think something like we counted them at the time, I think we made like 80 offers, I don’t want to say offers necessarily, but letters of intent. We were writing letters of intent, like they were going out of style. And we finally just got really discouraged. And why did we get discouraged? Because we thought, well, none of these deals were good enough now. Folks, what do you think happened? What do you think happened? As we were doing this? Seven years ago? Do you think those deals became good deals even though back in around 2010? Give or take? We thought those deals, we thought we would be overpaying if we did the deal. And do you think looking back we are now Thinking, gosh, we should have bought this. We should have bought that we should have bought everything we could get our hands on. Yeah, that’s exactly how we feel now, because those deals have. Well, they’ve gotten a lot more expensive. And you know, that’s what always happens. It’s like that poem that I’ve shared with you many times, The Reluctant investors lament, I hesitate to make a list of all the countless deals, I’ve missed, Bonanzas that were in my grip. I watched them through my finger slip the deals which I should have bought or lost because I overthought. I thought of this. I thought that I could have sworn I smelled a rat. And while I thought things over twice, another grab them at the price. And you know, that’s folks, this is what happens. It all happens to us. It happens to us all the time. The deal today, that seems overpriced, will look like the best deal in the world. A few years down the road. It has happens every time, every time throughout history. So, a lot of this you just have to understand it’s priced into the market. It’s priced into the market. Okay, there goes my tangent, right. Okay, so back to Jesse’s question. So, as a mobile home park owner, when you buy a mobile home park, sometimes you’re just buying the real estate deal. And sometimes with it, you’re buying some what’s called Park owned homes, right? The the mobile home sitting on the land, and you can basically be the landlord renting out the structure, the mobile home itself, but most of the time, you’re just renting the land and someone’s putting their mobile home on your land. Now one of the things that’s been very popular is for people to basically get that mobile home and then go ahead and start Sell it on a lease option to somebody else rather than doing a straight rental. They’ll do like a rent to own type deal. That’s very common in the mobile home park investor world. But there’s another thing out there called Lonnie deals. And I believe the gentleman’s name, he wrote a book on this called deals on wheels, I believe it was called, his name was Lonnie Scruggs, or I think, if I remember correctly, and a Lonnie deal, which is what Jesse may be asking about here, is basically where someone buys just a mobile home in someone else’s Park. So they actually don’t own any real estate. They just own a mobile home the structure with a land lease a lot lease under it, and then they will turn around and rent that mobile home to somebody else, or sell that mobile home to somebody else on a lease option. So this is Something that you can do if you have very little money. If you are really at the beginning stages of your investing career, this is something that’s open to you. It’s kind of a beginner’s way in doing what’s called a Lonnie deal. Okay. So again, you know, we love single family homes, that’s our main thing. And we kind of dabbled in this other stuff a little bit, mobile, home, parks, apartments, and so forth. And I’ve owned all those asset classes, and I like them all. But again, my favorite is the humble single family home, because it is fewer moving parts. Quite literally, when you’re talking about Lonnie deals. Those are what deals on wheels, right. So fewer moving parts on the single family homes. And they are just the most historically proven, but there are other things out there you can do as a real estate investor. And that’s why I wanted to bring you Jenny, Jessie’s question today, because I thought that was a good question, to look at some other aspects of Income property investing rather than just buying the good old, most historically proven single family home. So Jesse, I hope that answers your question. And you also left a comment. And you said, Jason imparts a sense of curiosity about the world. He is helping his listeners become lifetime learners, and super nerdy at the same time. Well, I hope that answered your question was nerdy enough for you, Jesse. Appreciate the question. And keep them coming, folks. We’re going to wrap up the contest this week. So you have a little bit of time. Jason Hartman comm slash podcast. And what else should I tell you? Well, I think that’s it. I think we will get to more questions on the future episodes. And I will get to bed here because in Luxembourg is 11pm already and I am headed off to Prague tomorrow. Back to the Czech Republic. I’ve been to Luxembourg before And oh, by the way, one comment about Luxembourg. I have mentioned this on the show before course this is a big bank in capital. And it is a very small country, though. You know, I always talk about how all real estate is local, and how in a country as large and diverse as the United States, there is no such thing as a national housing market. You’ve heard me say this many, many times. Because all real estate is local. In the US. There are about 400 400 local real estate markets. And they act very differently based, they break down into three major categories linear, cyclical, and hybrid, as you’ve certainly heard me talk about before, but here’s the funny thing about Luxembourg. So I was born in Europe, and I remember my first trip back to Europe as an adult. I came with a buddy of mine, my buddy Mike, we were, I don’t know. 22 years old, maybe. And we rented a car. and drove on the Autobahn, where you drive 120 miles an hour on the Autobahn in Germany back then I think they’ve sort of curtailed those speed limits a bit, I’m not sure. And still, Ferrari’s and big, cool. Mercedes will pass you because they were going 150 miles an hour. Well, that was back in the day. I think they’ve kind of curved that. But here’s the funny thing about Luxembourg. We rented a car, and we drove through Europe. And in just a couple of weeks, I think we drove like 2000 miles or something crazy like that. And I remember one day, we drove through the country I am in now, Luxembourg. We basically drove through the entire country, and about the time, you know, in like an afternoon, like a long lunch. Okay, basically. And that’s the funny thing. See, Luxembourg has a national housing market. Okay. Hear the country is so small that you could talk about the Luxembourg real estate market. And you could intelligently say, this is what’s going on with real estate in Luxembourg. But if you’re the typical talking head, the shallow commenter on the media in the US, who’s on the news, or commenting in a newspaper or a magazine, and you’re talking about the, quote, real estate market, unquote, the National housing market in the US, what is the market in the US like, you can’t intelligently talk about it is one market, because it is a giant, very diverse country. Okay. And that is the moral of the story with Luxembourg. You do have a national housing market in a tiny little country. You don’t have a national housing market in a big giant country.

Okay, so just know that lesson, and let’s get to our guest, Melissa Francis, as we go off topic. Today and talk about general life success on one of our 10th shows, and we will be back on our next episode 861 to talk all about real estate investing. Here we go with Melissa. So you’ve heard my rants about how our financial system is rigged, and I’ve interviewed hundreds of experts to back up those claims and help you align your investments with the most powerful forces in the world, governments and central banks. I’m also using a perpetual wealth strategy with my income property investments that you should check out. It has enhanced the security of my liquid assets, boosted overall ROI and shifted money away from the banksters my friend Pat Donahoe, who’s one of our venture Alliance members, runs paradigm life and he has a free report that you can download at be your that’s be your bank Comm. Check it out today. It’s my pleasure to welcome Melissa Francis to the show. You’ve probably heard her name she is an anchor on fox news and Fox Business. She’s author of the new book lessons from the prairie the surprising secrets to happiness, success, and sometimes just survival. I learned on America’s favorite show, Melissa, welcome. How are you? Thank you so much for having me on. I’m so excited to be with you today. Good stuff. Well, it’s great to have you on the show. You know, if the audience doesn’t know, but they probably do. In addition to being a news anchor, you are also an actress. Right?

Melissa Francis 21:40
Well, I was I was a long time ago. I grew up in Hollywood. I did my first commercial when I was six months old. Don’t remember I was a Johnson and Johnson baby shampoo commercial. And after that I did more than 100 commercials and I was a series regular on three different shows and I did a bunch of movies and movies for talent. All kinds of stuff. But I left that all behind when I left Hollywood when I was 18 years old, and I went off to study economics at Harvard. And since then I’ve only played myself on television. I have been an honest broker of journalism and facts and everything that’s going on. And I have to tell you, I talked about this in the book it does, it suits me a lot better. I love, you know, digging for my own facts and saying my own words and having debate on the air. And what I didn’t love about acting was the idea that I felt sort of like a puppet or a marionette saying someone else’s words. And this suits me a lot better.

Jason Hartman 22:36
Yeah, yeah. Fantastic. Well, that’s a that’s a great perspective. Tell us about some of the stuff you’re covering in the news. And let’s let’s talk about the news a little bit first, especially, you know, our listeners and investors are especially interested in the economic angle and what the current administration means for all that. And then let’s talk about the book a little bit too because you have a surprising and unique perspective that you talked about it book as well.

Melissa Francis 23:00
Yes, no I’m so I told you all the different things that I was on. And what sticks out to me is this idea of so many years later, one day I was leaving the set about numbered, which is our noon show where we sit around the couch. I was actually doing that show today. And when we come out, there are people waiting in the breezeway for us, they’re nice enough to sort of stand there and say hello, while they’re on their vacation to New York. And one day when I came through, somebody said, Can I get your signature and I said, you don’t want mine, the ladies coming up behind me are a lot more famous, you’re going to be disappointed when you see my name. And the woman said, No, I know you. You’re the Little House in the prairie one. And you know, it’s funny to me because I’ve spent my whole life trying to sort of reinvent myself as something different, which is why I kind of bristle when you say you’re still an actress, you know, I’m not now on my phone, I’m a real person. But you can never get away from that, that way that you sort of started life. And I realized that it actually did so much to form my way of thinking and my point of view, you know, it informs so many of the things that have made me happy and successful the time that I spent on Little House in the prairie that rather than trying to get away from it and be Oh, I’m a serious journalist now, to rather embrace the lessons that I learned things like, I mean, Michael Landon was an incredibly frugal person and he was so smart about business and the economy. He was one of the first people in Hollywood who realized that in order to make a mint, you had to own the show, write it directed produce it star, and it was his cottage industry. He was one of the first entrepreneurs, small business owners, he created this factory for himself. And as a result, you know, he was cheap as hell because the whole thing was his business. And he had a tiny dressing room, which is not what people in Hollywood do. Normally, they have the big Winnebago, the bigger that shows how important you are. He had a little economy one and he sort of said, if it’s good enough for me, it’s good enough for everybody else, too. And he looked humble and modest reality was his money. So he was saving a fortune on everyone. And he really taught us this idea. That we were there part of a product and an industry that we were proud of that people valued. But you had a responsibility to your job. You had to show up lines learned ready to go face scrubbed, well rested, hit your mark, know what you were doing, whether you’re a caterer, you’re an adult, and he treated all the workers in his business and his organization, the same respect, the actors weren’t special. We were the same as the people who were driving the truck, who are the people who put the marks down on the ground where we were going to land, the people who did the hair and makeup because there’s a smart business owner. He knew that every employee counted, and it took every employee to make the show ahead, and I may have only been eight years old, but I was on a bunch of sets before and a bunch of sets afterwards. So I really I could see the difference even as a child could feel the difference. We moved through an episode so much faster. You know, I knew at the time, a normal one hour show it took about two and a half weeks, sometimes even three to shoot one episode with him. It was about six days. A week in a day he was for be for economy, right? That was to be efficient, right? To save himself money to make his margin bigger. And but you appreciated it as someone on the set because it’s boring to stand around mean as a kid, you didn’t want to stand there while they did it a million times in the hot sun, the whole thing it worked for everybody. And he was just smart about all that kind of stuff. And and he was just it was I really took note. And I also noticed as a kid that I had to memorize a lot more lines at night because we moved along faster. So I really had a basis for comparison. And I people were happier. And it stuck with me. I mean to this day. First of all, I respect every job. I think every paycheck has dignity anytime somebody outside the house is paying you for a job well done. That’s a tremendously powerful feeling. I mean, it’s empowering to you as a person. It deserves respect. It’s really something and you know, he drilled that into us and the privilege and the responsibility that goes with When I left Hollywood and I went to Harvard, I worked in the kitchen underground for minimum wage to earn money so that I could go out and have unpaid internships and news over the summer and make the transition. I worked in restaurants, I did all kinds of things. And people have said to me, you know, after earning a huge paycheck in Hollywood, was it humbling to go wait tables? They said, Absolutely not every paycheck is, has value and deserves respect. I was willing to put elbow grease in for the thing that I wanted. And Michael would have been proud. And that’s what he taught us. That’s what I teach my book. That’s what I teach my kid my own children. Today, I have three kids. These are the important lessons that I think get lost in America right now where we give so much away. We give too much away through entitlement. Yeah, no, no question. No question. So you’ve said a bunch of things there. So first of all,

Jason Hartman 27:47
are you saying that and just quickly because I got several questions for you. Close sort of rapid fire. Michael Landon basically owned the show, and he sold it to the network, right. That’s what that’s what you mean. When you say that, right? And so he was a he was a entertainment entrepreneur rather than a hired actor, per se. And what year was that, that he did that because and that was a pretty it sounds like that was a pretty groundbreaking idea at the time. I know that Oprah did that as well. And that was one of the big secrets to her successes. She owned her show, and then sold it to, you know, the highest bidder, I guess.

Melissa Francis 28:24
Right, right. No, no, I mean, she she sold it to the distributor. And I think eventually she was a distributor as well. But Michael Landon was doing this in the 70s. And as far as I know, and I talked to people about this, yeah, I mean, I think that Lucy and Desi Arnaz, on their production, but they were one of they were one of the few and not a lot of people had figured that out or realized, you know, two actors aren’t necessarily great at math. They don’t understand the property of owning the production. Now they do now they get it. They’ve seen enough people do it and they’ll get the producer title and they’re not actually doing any work. He was the first one there in the morning and the last one to leave at the end of the day. I mean, it with sweat equity for him, but he figured it out, he got it done.

Jason Hartman 29:04
And and so the one of the other themes that you seem to be saying, and it’s saying I love because, you know, like he’s talking about the sense of entitlement and of course, with Generation Y and the millennial generation, you know, this is a big problem nowadays, right? And you know, it that old that old saying in Hollywood, I love it. I love this, this old saying, there are no small parts, only small actors. And I think that all of us need to remember that in life. No matter how successful we become, you know, there are no small parts, only small actors. In other words, treat everything you do with respect and give it dignity. And you know, do your best at it, rather than acting as though you’re entitled to something you know, that’s just not a recipe for success in life. You know, you want there you know, you want to remember there are no small parts, only small actors, okay. And then Then you also see some of the theme of what you’ve said already, is just exactly why government doesn’t work. Right? The dysfunction of government is that, you know, when it’s everybody, I always say, when it’s everybody’s money, it’s nobody’s money. And, you know, there’s no person that really cares. Because, you know, you get all these people, especially on the left, but on the right to unfortunately, they’ve come too close together, the two parties that just they’re just waste, waste waste. It’s, it’s, you know, pork barrel legislation, you know, it’s just beyond ridiculous, right?

Melissa Francis 30:34
Absolutely. And I mean, I saw that in person in the example, when he ran that set so much more efficiently than any other one I had been on and that’s because he was working with his own money and he thought every cent that went out as profit he was missing, and everyone got that and he rewarded them with decades of steady work, which would no one ever found. So you wanted to do it his way because it was a pleasure. To be on the set, we were doing something we loved, but he was successful and you wanted to stay on that train. And in Hollywood, you know, you’re getting fired every other day, the show comes to an end, the production comes to an end, he had a magical formula where he had three series that had very long runs. So people wanted to stay there. And I saw work. And so it was easy for me to understand. My dad was somebody who believes in Adam Smith and the invisible hand and was reading that very young age. Yes. So I always felt like anytime government gets involved, they just create waste, whether they have good intentions or bad intentions. If you’re not spending your own money, it’s not the same. But I take that even a step further with this idea that when you think you’re being compassionate by giving out handouts to people, you’re actually crippling them,

Jason Hartman 31:49
making them dependent.

Melissa Francis 31:51
You’re making them dependent and you’re disempowering them. And I learned at a very young age that thrill when someone outside the family who hasn’t No commitment to no obligation to you, pays you for your work because you’re doing something of value. Wow. That is a powerful feeling. I’ve known my whole life and I’ve always saved me. As a woman. I never felt like I needed I’m happily married. I love my husband. We’ve been married for almost 20 years. But I never felt like I needed someone to take care of me because I had taken care of myself my whole life. And I have two sons and a daughter. And regardless of gender, I want them all three to know that feeling of power, that you don’t need the government and you don’t need someone else. Also, that there’s every job is worthwhile. You know, I always say that if I was let go from this glamorous career tomorrow, I would have honestly have no problem working at McDonald’s working at Walmart, whatever it was, and I would work my way up through diligence that I was when I waited tables when I chop vegetables in the basement of my dorm and other students sneered at me and really did and really talk down to me for that. I wasn’t shamed out, a piece of me was sure. But I felt like I know what I am putting in my time for something better. And I also know that this is worthwhile, by the way, I’m chopping up your lunch that you’re going to be quite grateful for we come up from the, from the basement, you know, I mean, I really learned this lesson. And this is something I want my kids to know, can eat is getting lost in our society of handouts, and of this race to see who’s the biggest victim. I mean, you it’s not compassionate, it’s crippling to people. It’s wrong.

Jason Hartman 33:35
Why? So? Talk to us a little bit about, you know, what’s going on in the news, and maybe let’s kind of talk about these in the context of some current events, or, you know, recent events, you know, especially with the last administration, you know, you’ve got this attitude of hand people everything. And then you know, when we talk about big government and so forth, it when it’s when it’s everybody’s money, it’s nobody’s Money and, and you know, both everybody wants to make this like a partisan issue. And to some extent it is in all fairness, you know, one party does want to spend more than the other. But they’re both big spenders, if you ask me. That’s why I defected to become a libertarian. But this idea that people, you know, we should take away their responsibility and hand them things. It’s just pathetic. It’s been proven over and over, it doesn’t work. And ultimately, it just put makes the people in power more powerful, and the people that are getting the handouts more dependent. And, you know, both parties will agree that government is corrupt and inefficient and wasteful. And but but so I just say the bigger the government, the more waste there will always be corruption and waste in any human organization. It’s just the unfortunate way it is. So if you just make it smaller, then the corruption and waste and inefficiency will be smaller if you make a bigger thing. Gotta be bigger. seems obvious, but

Melissa Francis 35:03
Amen. I mean, absolutely. And I have a feeling that your listeners understand this very well. And the book is lessons from the prairie. I’m Melissa Francis, I talk about it a lot in here. But everything you just said it’s the essential difference, I think between the two sides of the parties. And the two point of view is one thing’s government’s the answer. And one thinks government’s the problem. And I’m someone who thinks we do need government for some things, national security, we need policing. We need some basic things. But the more they get involved with the more they muck it up, and they are not good stewards of my dollar. And when I look at today’s politics, I mean, Mick Mulvaney, our OMB Director, is he is he is so good at putting into words. This philosophy one of the best things I heard him say in the last month or so, was when he said, we’re so busy having compassion for people, you The left is all about compassion for this group and that group and this one and this is wrong. And he goes, how about if we have some compassion for the taxpayers who are sending in their money? And I think that’s what the democrats have really lost. And one of the most interesting things that I’ve noticed is there has been this in the parties that I don’t know that we’ve ever seen. It used to be that the republicans were the party of the rich, and all of a sudden, the 1%, the super wealthy, Nancy Pelosi, the Clintons, all of the tech, Titans and tech billionaires, all of the CEOs, almost all of the CEOs on Wall Street, they’re all Liberal Democrats, and they all give to that party, and it has become the party of the 1% people don’t think that though, you know, the big population of voters out there doesn’t think that they think they’re all a bunch of rich Republican. So you know, it’s it’s the opposite is true. I think they figured it out. I don’t know. I don’t think that they figured it out. When I said that on air and it got tweeted it went viral and a lot of people responded and understood. It’s the party of the very rich and the very poor, who the very rich haven’t slaved to keep as voters, Charles Payne from Fox Business. Grew up. Yeah, he grew up in the product. He saw it firsthand. And he really takes in Carson point of view, that it’s that there’s something very nefarious going on that it’s a group of people that are trying to enslave and keep down that population, which I think some of them do have good intentions. They’re trying to do good either way. It has bad results. But the entire working population in the middle is suddenly identifying with Republicans who are saying, Wait a second, you know, sending my money to Washington. Why in the world would you think that anyone a million miles away in Washington, is a better steward of your money can make better decisions for your family, your children, their education, your tax dollars, who to give charity to? Why would you ever think that those people that far away are better at it than you are? it’s just interesting. It makes you No, makes

Jason Hartman 38:00
no sense whatsoever. And I think it’s almost in a way. It’s like a self confidence issue, you know, is it is if the people that are, you know, relinquishing their power and their money to big government, they don’t have enough confidence in themselves in a way that they can, that they can run their own life and make their own decisions. You know, the nanny state has to be there for them, you know, or something. I it’s just weird. It is.

Melissa Francis 38:27
Yeah, totally. It’s a break for you. It’s a great point. And it kind of brings me back to why this book lessons from the prairie and why this foundation is so meaningfulness kind of got lost because if you look at the stories of little house, and even I reread the books recently, and they are still fantastic. They still hold up, my kids reading them in school, but it’s about people who are totally self reliant. Yes, they come together as a community. Yes, they’re willing to lend a hand to their neighbor, but they’re very proud and resilient and they hate taking handouts. They depend on their family, they believe in God. They get, you know, churches where charity is, but they’re resilient. They overcome tremendous hardship, and they don’t rely on someone, the government to come to the rescue. And that has that whole philosophy has nearly been lost. And I carried it through my life. I saw it on this set. I saw it in the book. I’m teaching it to my children. I think there are like minded people out there. I wrote the book for you lessons from the prairie if you feel that way. And it’s the lessons I do it through humor, I make fun of myself for a few hundred pages. Because if you don’t have a few laughs while you’re reading, then you know, it’s it’s not entertaining, it’s easy to get through. But in the end, you come away and strategies and lessons how we can preserve and hang on to and teach our children, these values that they’re not going to be taught in school. They’re not going to be taught by democrats that are largely shunned in our society, but I probably not

Jason Hartman 40:01
So let’s

Melissa Francis 40:03
know Yeah, I you know, absolutely. I mean, this is about really selfless self reliance, pride, resilience. I mean all the things that compassion face lots of things like that, that that get computing our society but I refuse to let them go away.

Jason Hartman 40:22
I’m very good point Melissa give out your website.

Melissa Francis 40:24
Melissa Francis official is the real website you can find everything there. I’m Melissa a Francis on Twitter and for radio listeners only. My special gift my mailman here at Fox things crazy if you buy lessons from the prairie. buy it on Amazon, Barnes and Noble. Wherever you see it, send it to me at Fox News headquarters. We’re at 1211 Sixth Avenue, Google Fox News headquarters in New York City. You can find it send it to me here. I will find it and send it back to you. I’ll get the signature of your favorite Fox or Fox Business talent If you would prefer that to mine. But you guys are so smart. You are the intellect and the courage out there. You are listening with your minds with your ears with your heart. I love television that pays the bills, but you’re not watching TV for the glitter. And you’re not listening to music right now you’re listening with your mind. I love you. You are the country’s future. Send me your book. I’ll sign it. I’ll get whoever you like here. I appreciate you and thanks for having me on.

Jason Hartman 41:17
We’ll say you’re gonna lose a bunch of money on shipping on that deal. I

Melissa Francis 41:22
don’t care. I don’t care. I didn’t do this to make money shipping me handling

Jason Hartman 41:27
all your profits.

Melissa Francis 41:28
Okay, I don’t care. I don’t care.

Jason Hartman 41:31
Good stuff. Well, Melissa Francis, thanks for joining us.

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