Millennial Rents & The Value Of Networking

Millennial Rents & The Value Of Networking

Jason Hartman is joined by Dan as they talk about value networking. Dan gives us insight into how to break through your network targets and how crucial networks are during economic downturns. Later on the show, Jason talks about how much millennials are spending on rent.

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Jason Hartman 0:53
Welcome listeners from around the world in 165 countries. This is your host Jason Hartman and I’m going to make Big claim here today on episode 1058, Episode 1058. Now, this claim, I just want to warn you may not be accurate. Okay? I have my brother here, that’s another claim you’ll meet him in a moment. And no, I don’t really have a brother, but I have sort of a circuit brother, and he’s here with me. So we’ll introduce him in a moment. He is the world’s best networker, and he’s tangentially in the real estate world as well. But here’s my big claim. You’re ready for this? Let’s see if anyone disputes this. I am going to make the claim today, dear listeners, that I am the most experienced person in my field. Yes, I’m going to make that claim. Because just five days ago was my anniversary in real estate and I have been in real estate now. For let me just see here I’m looking at the cool little app on On the internet here that calculates all this. I have been in real estate for 1700 and 22 weeks. I have been in real estate for 17,364,960 minutes. Okay. I have been in real estate for 289,416 hours. And you know what folks? I say experience matters. And I think I’m the most experienced person in my field. I was doing a little back of the napkin math, I do not expect this to be accurate because it’s not accurate. I’m saying that in advance. But I am now approaching being involved in 10,000 real estate deals. I’m getting pretty close to the 10,000 number. Try and beat that. See if anyone if I know a lot of my competitors, listen to the show. And listen, I could be wrong about that. But I am going to make the claim and throw it out there. And, you know, that’s kind of the way you do it, throw it out to the marketplace. And my competitors would have a very vested interest in saying no, Jason, that’s not true. And if it’s not true, I will tell you it’s not true. I’ll tell you if I hear from them. So come forward, people come forward and tell me I’m not the most experienced person in this business. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, I’m the most experienced person in this business. So 12,059 days. Yeah, that’s a long, long time. And you know what, interestingly, out of the 17 million minutes, I’ve been in 17 million plus minutes. I’ve been in the real estate business. I bet there’s scarcely a minute that I haven’t thought about real estate. So there you go. You are listening to the most experienced person in the business. And I hope you’ll join me in Hawaii, where we will do a lot of networking, a lot of learning from each other. And with that in mind, let me introduce My surrogate brother, Dan, Kayla, Stan, how are you?

Dan 4:04
I’m doing fantastic. It’s great to be hanging out with you here live in person,

Jason Hartman 4:08
live and in person. And we are in a co op office space here in South Florida and it’s pretty cool. Thank you for introducing me to it. You know I’ve wanted to try one of these Co Op offices with all the techie cool young folks that are maybe going to change the world but I haven’t done it yet. How long you been doing it?

Dan 4:27
Well, about two months.

Jason Hartman 4:29
Two months and you are just moving from Colorado to Florida right from chicago live in Colorado now we’re here in West Palm Beach. Yes, yeah. So what is getting you interested in this move? Why Why are you leaving Colorado because tomorrow I’m going to Colorado interestingly, I love Colorado a lot about it but not a really big fan of dry weather we wanted to go see are we are we mountain people you know my wife and daughter and I and turns out we like looking at the mountains we don’t really like doing a lot of miles we like palm trees and beaches better. Good stuff. Hey, so tell the audience before we talk A little bit about real estate and the fact that you are potentially the best networker I have ever met. Well, I guess didn’t meet you directly because we’re brothers. Why are we brothers?

Dan 5:11
We’re, we’re quasi brothers because we just you and me and my brother Joe, we, we have a good time when we go hang out, you know, and we complement each other. I guess

Jason Hartman 5:20
you are really good at networking. And you just know everybody kind of I thought I knew everybody but you really know everybody. And it is amazing the connections that you you helped bring. Tell us a little bit about the value of networking and what your thoughts are on it. Because what we notice is that every one of our live events, one of the most valuable things is not yours. Truly speaking from the stage all the way. I think it’s pretty valuable, especially considering that I’ve been doing this more than 17 million minutes. The most experienced person in the field. And then the clock is ticking. But it’s the networking the networking our audience has with each other and connections they develop and people are always commenting after every event. They’re always saying, gosh, I met so many great people at your events they were so giving they were so willing to share their advice, their experiences with their rental properties, and building their investment portfolios. Tell us a little bit about your thoughts on networking. Yeah, you

Dan 6:17
know, it’s really interesting that you’re saying these kind words about me. But the interesting thing is when I first discovered who you were, which was a man two years ago, now, the cool thing is that when I first knew who you were, and I thought, this is a really, really connected guy, look at some of the people that are on this podcast. I mean, he’s interviewed Ron Paul, he’s interviewed Robert Kiyosaki, I mean, all the big guys and I thought, okay, you know, somebody like me, who’s relatively new to the entrepreneur world and all that, how do I get on somebody’s radar? Like, Jason, if you remember, I won’t tell the full story to kind of cool story. But basically, I said, What can I do for this guy, and I noticed we were friends on Facebook, we hadn’t ever chatted. What I’m going to talk about here is is leverage. It’s a form of leverage, like in real estate, there’s leverage right and you’re a big fan of leverage the reef actually die and all that, but there’s many forms of leverage and I think you have other people’s money. You have other people’s time you have other people’s networks, you have other people’s knowledge. And those are the types of leverage that we’re talking about. So when you can leverage, so you already have the 17 million minutes or whatever you have. And because I know you and because we’re friends and brothers, in a certain way, I have access to that much time, I can leverage that. But when I first wanted to meet you, I said, This guy probably has it all, like, what could I do for him, but you were in Dubai, I happen to have a friend in Dubai who is running, he was one of the top executives at the Atlantis in Dubai, and said, You know what, maybe I can have this as an opportunity for my friend Ryan to meet Jason give him a VIP treatment. And I made the introduction and it made me stand out, right, I didn’t have there’s nothing else I could have offered you. And it all began from there. So I think when you’re thinking about what can I give in a relationship, and that’s what like my brother and I, when we go to a lot of different networking events and masterminds, we try to be personable, and we try to be likable. And that comes down to I don’t I mean, I’m certainly not the most network guy in the world, but for being an entrepreneur for three, four years, we’ve certainly made a lot of connections and I’ve come to really believe that Your network is your your net worth. It’s a great saying.

Jason Hartman 8:02
Yeah. And you know, we hear that a lot. The network is very valuable. And what you said is, you know, leveraging other people’s time. It’s funny you said that because you probably did not listen to the last episode of my podcast where I talked about OPI other people’s efforts. And I’m going to share a statistic today, when I was talking about the rent, so I’ll get to that in a moment. Millennials 45% of their income goes to rent. So we’ll talk about that in a moment. Because that’s Opie to the max with real estate.

Dan 8:29
Yes. regretfully, I have not listened to that episode yet. But I would I always say, oh, PT, time and effort is basically the same type of leverage. And you mentioned events. And so like, I mean, we’ve gone to a lot of events, we’re part of some of the top masterminds and you know, sometimes I find myself not even in the event in the learning part of it, but sitting outside and meeting the people because you can get recordings and all that. And yeah, I mean, you’re always going to go through ups and downs in any kind of business, right? I mean, no matter how successful you are, and so it’s almost like an insurance policy when you when you give to people and you make them you deposit relational credits. You try to do what you can do, even if you don’t think you can do anything for them. There’s always something there’s always some connection, that they’re not thinking about that, oh, yeah, I do know that person, but I didn’t think about them. Then what happens is when you really need it the most, you find that you know, these people have your back, especially if you’re part of a group of good people and the leader in the group, really Foster’s that which I’m sure you do in every environment, every event that you have is to encourage that and say, Look, we’re here for each other. So I can’t overestimate the power of that.

Jason Hartman 9:27
Absolutely. Those are very good points. And I know we’ve got a lot of our venture Alliance members of venture lions mastermind members listening. And I want to just say that Dan was the guy who set us up when we were all in Dubai a couple of years ago. He was the one who set us up with the manager, the general manager of Atlantis in Dubai, and we got that private tour. And it was just because I posted something on Facebook or something, maybe a picture of us in Dubai. That was our first international venture Alliance trip now we’ve done a few of them. And you said Oh, my friend manages it. Anna’s there. And he took us on such a great VIP tour. He took us to the those rooms. They’re like the undersea rooms.

Dan 10:09
I’ve never been there. But I think they’re undersea. Yeah. You could see the, the fish in their caverns? Yeah.

Jason Hartman 10:13
Yeah, they’re literally hotel suites that rent for I don’t remember the number, but they were insane. They rent for like $12,000 a night. And he took us into I think to the rooms, where it’s like you’re in an aquarium. The windows are deep inside an aquarium. It’s pretty darn awesome. By the way, listeners, if you hear a little bit of construction noise in the background, I apologize there refacing the building we’re in right now, so might hear a little bit of noise. That was a pretty awesome tour. And that was exactly the point you really gave that you made the introduction. I think you introduced us possibly on Facebook with a private message. And he invited all of us with a venture Alliance down and we got that awesome tour. So thank you for that.

Dan 10:55
Make another point about that way you know and this has been the case for other types of relationships but you No, it’s also kind of always being conscious of the other person. little subtle things. For example, some people love texting, some people hate texting, some people love talking on the phone talking on voxer talking on email, whatever the case may be. And you just need to be cognizant of what that is. Because if somebody hates email and you’re going to want to email them, they’re going to be less likely if somebody loves voxer. And you’re the only one then are you talking about me? Well, I don’t want to necessarily reveal anybody’s preferred methods of communication. But you just need to know what that is. Right? So I happen to love boxer and so people want to talk to me, I try to get them on boxer, or here’s another. Here’s another example.

Jason Hartman 11:33
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Dan 11:37
I wish I had the affiliate account with them know that one other thing too is that like, in this day and age, we have friends all over the world and all over the country, different time zones. And so sometimes just a matter of coordinating schedules and being conscious and saying like, let’s talk at, you know, noon, mountain time, because I know you’re on Mountain Time and being very clear about that. I think when people know, it’s these little things, right? You can’t necessarily buy for somebody who’s super successful, something that they couldn’t Guess what you can do these little things that show that you’re thinking of them. So that would just be another little tip is always like, give times and people’s time zones that make them realize, Oh, he knows where I live, he remembers that I’m in California.

Jason Hartman 12:09
Right? Yeah, that’s a good point. And definitely making the communication easy, I think is important because every relationship consists of communication, and shared experiences, which is one of the reasons we hold these live conferences. And of course, the venture Alliance is the ultimate shared experience platform. So shared experiences are the stock and trade of friendship and relationship aren’t a mall for sure. And

Dan 12:31
with that, you know, I think one other tip just for attending events and getting the most out of them. And I, this baffles me, because in certain environments, you see it all the time, and some of you don’t, but like, especially if you’re in a little bit of a smaller environment, and there’s a speaker there that’s very well connected or very successful, and they’re accessible. Go talk to them, because you’re never going to have that opportunity. Again, if you’re at an event and Ron Paul’s there or whoever, you know, like sometimes I’ve been at events and there’s this multimillionaire this guru or whatever it is, and they get off the stage and they’re just sitting there by themselves. And I’m thinking you don’t see that if you were to go to say like an MLM conference, there’s people that are chasing down people making $3,000 a month, and then the millionaires, they almost have to be like, you know, fenced off. But if you’re in like a traditional business type thing or a political thing, and you have the opportunity to go do that, you know, be respectful, don’t sit there and pick their brain for an hour. But like, if they’re there, ask them questions. Tell them what you think about them and maybe say something that’s memorable, that they’re gonna remember you next time. Yeah,

Jason Hartman 13:24
yeah. good points. good points. That’s all very important. So folks, think this harkens right back to our events coming up in Hawaii. I hope you’ll join us there go to Jason Hartman, calm and check those out. We’ve got a new video on that page as well. And some links to airfares, there’s an airfare war to Hawaii right now. So airfare is really inexpensive. And it’s great. You talked Dan just a moment ago about other people’s time and other people’s efforts, right Oh, pe or PT other people’s time, using that leverage to help you achieve your goals faster. Right. And that’s a great thing about relationship. and so forth. But it’s also an interesting thing about the dynamic of owning investment property. And I talked about this on the last episode. And literally right after I recorded Monday’s episode, I saw this article, it’s a rent cafe article and listen to this, folks. Okay, so I talked about the idea of employing people and comparing it to employing people. So if you have a business and of course, a lot of our listeners are business owners, then when you employ someone, you want them to earn at least three times what they cost, that’s sort of a basic formula of entrepreneurship. Hopefully, it’s a lot better than that, but at least minimum of three times depending on your capital structure and your overhead and so forth and your industry. Okay, so take a look at this. What if you could have people giving you literally every month 33 to 40% of their income, and that’s typically what a renter gives you. Okay? But wait, there’s more because this article has saw, I saw just after recording Monday’s episode says that millennials spend 45% of their income on rent 45% of their income is spent on rent. Think about this, folks. I’ll just say it because it’s almost kind of snarky funny, but it’s not funny either. I understand. It’s not funny. Slavery has been outlawed A long time ago. Thankfully, right. Now, there’s a lot of slavery sadly going on around the world, which, you know, on my holistic survival show, I did a show about that. And it’s really just disgusting and appalling, what happens in that, but that’s a whole nother subject. But in the US, there’s just the kind of slave slavery that Jeff Bezos engages in. And I think he’s, you know, really a slave master [email protected] You know, he doesn’t pay people very much, and they literally, at least in one case, work themselves to death. One person committed suicide and left a big note right about Amazon and so forth. You remember that in the news? Forgive me if I’m misquoting. any of this story by the way, I don’t want Jeff to sue me. He’s pretty rich guy, obviously brilliant businessman, but but there is a lot of claim that he does not pay people well, right. And he is the richest person on the planet, right? Or at least in and out of the richest person buying from number one. So, when you own income property, you literally have like, half a slave. I know this is not funny, I get it, I get it. But if someone is renting from you, and they’re paying 33%, then you have a third of a slave, right? or 40% or 45%, you have almost half of their income paying you every month paying your mortgage paying your positive cash flow. If this isn’t the ultimate example of OPI other people’s efforts, I don’t know what is what do you think and

Dan 16:48
why immediately I kind of see a comparison to you know, taxation in the sense that good comparison, modern slavery Yeah, no, I’m not gonna get any argument on you on that one. But it’s like if you look at the I’m not going to go down some rabbit hole here. But basically, once you’re born, there’s a certain amount of average money that the creditors to the United States or the governments of the United States are going to get in form of taxation. And you could say whatever that’s 20% 30%

Jason Hartman 17:16
and or 45%. If you live in the Socialist Republic of California or New York, yes, plus the 30%

Dan 17:21
income tax,

Jason Hartman 17:22
but but but but also the other types of taxes, car registration, sales tax, gas, tax a million other taxes that you don’t even see but go ahead,

Dan 17:30
right. So So, you know, you look at the presumably the richest, like, okay, so yeah, Jeff Bezos might be the richest person on paper. There’s probably people that are richer, that are kind of like behind the scenes that really, Vladimir Putin, the Rothschild family, etc. Exactly. So evil dictators of third world countries, etc. So I’m sure that many listeners here are not opposed to going down that rabbit hole but I won’t go down too far. But yes, I would say you basically Yeah, you’re it’s people’s number one expense for their livelihood is shelter. I mean, that’s their number. expense, they’ll have that before they have a car that in food basically. So unless you own commodities of food, then leveraging Oh, PT and Opie can sounds funny say like that other people. Yeah, it’s funny that I mean 45%. I mean, like, would you rent to somebody that had that high of a debt to income ratio? That seems pretty excessive.

Jason Hartman 18:18
Yeah. Hopefully you’re not renting to someone with that high of a rent to income ratio. But the point is, they’re working half the month for you, dear listener, they were working half the month to pay your mortgage to pay your positive cash flow to pay your property upkeep and to pay for your inflation and debt destruction more than half the month because that’s based on gross income, isn’t it? Good point. Yeah, you’re right after taxes, that that’s actually a really good point.

Dan 18:46
So that’s why I guess they don’t really get to do anything fun with their money afterwards. It’s not

Jason Hartman 18:51
a very good deal for them, but it’s a very good deal for you and look at people pass through stages right there hopefully not going to be in this position all their lives, but you know, Initially, especially when they’re young, and they’re, you know, struggling to get ahead, and everybody needs to go through that it’s character building. I certainly went through it have been back a couple times, I’ve gone through it a couple times, you know, during my adult life, occasionally do and, you know, hopefully they’re not going to stay in that position. It’s like an entry level job, same idea. So what’s so interesting about this is that if you look at the baby boom generation, their income over an eight year period, ages 22 to 30, and I’m assuming I have to make the assumption This is all properly adjusted for inflation. And I do not know that it does not say that, at least not that I’ve noticed, but they earned over that eight year period $196,000 and they paid in rent $71,000 versus Gen X, my generation, probably yours, too. I’m at the youngest son of Gen X. Yes. Okay. Gen X are earned $202,000 over that eight year period from ages 22 to 30. And they paid $82,000 in rent. Now, tell us about the millennium. We just talked about,

Dan 20:01
well, they earned only marginally more over that period of time. 206,000 so to seven, but they paid out 92,600 almost 10,000 more than Gen Xers.

Jason Hartman 20:12
Yeah. So the proportion, the percentage of income going to rent is quite significant. And when you look at Gen X, their income difference was 40 $500. But the rent difference was 10,400. And the baby boomers 10,900 versus 21,600. So, the point being, that people are paying a much higher percentage of income in rent, no question about it. So what has to give when the percentage of income dedicated toward rent is higher than before? Well, lifestyle has to give people are living in smaller places. One of our investment counselor Sarah posted an article in our venture lions group the other day that talked about San Francisco he would not believe this where people are Living 31 people are living in houses. They’re 31 millennials living in houses in San Francisco. It’s just insane what’s going on

Jason Hartman 21:09
there. They’re renting bunk beds out. It’s absolutely not. So the quality of life has to give. That’s what gives times they are changing, no question about it. Inflation is very, very real. And you know, another thing about that, that’s interesting. I went to Panera yesterday. Okay. You know, this is another aspect of inflation that a lot of people don’t notice. And I’ve talked about it before, but it’s maybe the price of something didn’t go up or didn’t go up that much. But there’s a lot more self service involved now. I mean, we have to serve ourselves buying airline tickets online, we have to serve ourselves, doing almost everything at Panera they used to bring the food to your table. Now you go up and at person used to take your order. And now you go up to a kiosk and you punch your order into a touchscreen. And then you take a number and then you have to go pick up your food yourself. Now maybe the price didn’t go up, but the service declined. It’s like the bag of potato chips is getting smaller and smaller, but the price is the same inflation can work. Either way, you get less or you pay more, or a blend of both. Maybe they raise their minimum wage across the board. Maybe we don’t know about that. There’s all this talk about the $15 minimum wage, maybe that’s what’s happening internally and they’re saying, Okay, well, we can’t have you out there doing that. Or maybe you don’t even know little subtleties You don’t even know when taxes go up. Sometimes incrementally you just you wouldn’t notice any receipts say my coffee and my bagel cost the same amount of money. You’ll find that kick out of this but we were looking at vrb o which is like an Airbnb, you know, competitor and the taxes on those things alone. We’re looking at the tax rates in South Florida here for vrb O’s versus in Southern California, which we’re going to maybe go try to see in the winter, you know, the differences and tax rates of short term rentals. Here. It’s about 5.9% of the total just the daily rates not including anything else. You know what it is in California? No, I don’t 13% Wow. So it’s literally double in the Socialist Republic of California. Florida is a very business friendly state. That’s why there’s a lot of money down here. Because it all comes from the northeast. And, you know, some of it comes from the west coast, too. But yeah, no question about that. So you have all these little hits all these little things nipping at you. And we, of course, as real estate investors, we know how to make inflation work for us, using one of my techniques, inflation and do step destruction. Definitely. And speaking of which, you know, one thing we haven’t talked about on the show, we’d love to get your input on that, Stan, the financial crisis, a lot of people market by the collapse of Lehman Brothers, which was just 10 years ago, last week, 10 years ago, last week, and I got this email newsletter and I just want to share with you the advice and then I want to tell you how wrong this advice is. It’s it’s conventional wisdom, but it’s not good wisdom. Okay. It’s conventional, right? So yeah, air quotes, conventional wisdom, okay. So it just talks about how you Lehman Brothers collapsed 10 years ago. And the three points were look, be careful of over leveraging, keep a low loan to value ratio. Terrible idea. Okay, I’ll get there in a minute as to why. Number two, make sure you have plenty of reserves in place in case there are vacancies in a downturn. Oh, that’s a fair idea. I mean, of course, you know, but plenty years and is a subjective number. You know, we say you should have at least 4% of the value of your real estate portfolio, in the bank in reserves that you do not touch that emergency fund money for make readies vacancies, surprises, you’re gonna have surprises, folks. It’s just the nature of the beast. You can’t plan for everything. That’s Murphy’s Law and life itself. Okay. Number three, avoid short term loans with balloon payments as there may not be enough capital to refinance when you need it. Okay, so that’s all fine as conventional wisdom. However, look at the California wild fires. Look at the devastating hurricane we just had on the east coast. Whenever these natural disasters happen and isn’t a recession, especially a great recession, like we had 10 years ago, a natural disaster in a sense, yes, it is. Okay. whenever that happens, the people that get the relief are the people who have the high loan balances, the people who have the most debt. it’s counterintuitive. I know and we’ve talked about this 1,000,001 times over the years. But if you have a low loan balance, like the first point says, Be careful of over leveraging right? You are going to be a target for a foreclosure. If you have to default on your payments, you’re going to have no negotiating power. If you have lots of equity. If you have very little equity. As we’ve talked about many, many times, the lender is going to attempt to work things out with you. So it’s counterintuitive. You’ve got to understand that that is counterintuitive the way that works. Okay, and so, yes, leverage needs to be used responsibly. But by and large, if you look at any downturn in the economy ever, especially the last one, and then the one that, hey, since I’ve been doing this 12,059 days, in the 90s, the people who got the bailouts, the people who got the help, or the people with the highest loan balances in the natural disasters, they put a moratorium on mortgage payments. And they say, look, you don’t have to make any mortgage payments. If you own that house free and clear or had a very low loan balance, what do you think you’d get with FEMA, Federal Emergency Management Agency come to you and say, Hey, we know you own your house free and clear. So instead of waiving payments, like we did for everybody else, we you know, or giving you low interest financing or the Attorney General’s of six states during Katrina, telling the mortgagors that they had to put a moratorium on mortgage payments. No,

Dan 26:57
they’re not going to pay you.

Jason Hartman 26:59
The only people Getting the relief for the people with a high loan balances and the debt. So it is counterintuitive. There’s a little more to it than that. But generally speaking, that’s one thing I wanted to mention.

Dan 27:09
I have another point in that I’m not a real estate expert or a prolific investor to the degree that you are. But one thing that I do know and i about your strategy for basically reifying out, you know, the cash while you can deferring the taxes on that is that if you, you know, they say that the most money the most wealth is created during downturns because people have the cash to be able to buy assets at low prices. I’m glad you mentioned that.

Jason Hartman 27:33
And you know, what, if you want to have the cash don’t have it all sunk into the property.

Dan 27:37
So yeah, if it’s illiquid sitting in high equity property, and the downturn happens, guess what, you’re not going to get your refi at that time, you’re gonna get the refi when times are good, you’re gonna be able to pull that cash out. And that’s what you can use to buy up those assets when the market goes

Jason Hartman 27:50
down. Exactly. Look, I’m a lender, I have about $2 million of my own money. I mean, through various entities I own one way or another. It’s complicated. Like the relationship status on Facebook. But it’s complicated, but I have about $2 million of my own money loaned out right now. Okay. And let me tell you something, when someone has a higher leverage deal with me on a hard money loan or a private loan, and they come and they say, Hey, you know, the property, I haven’t been able to do the rehab fast enough, or there’s been a cost overrun, or we need some help. I listen, I’m willing to work with them. And I’ve done it before, but if they have a lot of equity in that deal, I’m going to say, hey, pay me man. You know, you got tons of equity. They got lots of skin in the game. So think of it that way. You want to use the bank’s money, the OPM as much as you can. Definitely good advice there. Okay. Hey, we got to wrap it up. Any last words?

Dan 28:51
I was just gonna say just to tie real back real quick, talking about leverage other people’s time other people’s networks. When these downturns happen. That’s one of the times that those Relationships are going to really come in play not only because of people being able to give you advice or give you the connections that you need to pull out of it, but also when you’re friends with really, really smart people like I am with Jason, like Jason is with me, thank you very much, but anything like that, you know what I mean? Like the average person, if they’re about to face a recession, they don’t have anybody super smart that they can talk to that’s going to help them guide through or anybody that’s been through a time like 2008. And so when you have those guides in your life, that type of leverage, that type of those relationships will be invaluable.

Jason Hartman 29:32
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